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    Jtag hack how to

    Notes:

    Although I have personally tested this on a 5 XENON,1 ZEPHYR, AND 2 JASPER use this at your own risk, because I can not guarantee how well you read,or your level a patience, now matter what tutorial you use don't panic and don't rush. Hi-cups are a part of life, and you will run into trouble sooner or later, so PM me(Looouky on X-S). If you run into something that has not be covered in the is document and or if any clarifications are needed then ask before proceeding.

    BAD BLOCKS:

    When Flashing through XeLLous it will move the bad blocks for you so you don't have worry about it. The only time it is of any concern is if when reading the first 2MB of your nand you encounter blocks between blocks 0 and 50. Please refer read here.

    If you encounter any Badblocks between 0x00 - 0x90, you can use this tutorial and my Badblock document to get Xell working, but don't update to XeLLous. Also it will have to be flashed with xbr-flash for linux, it is the only solution at the moment. See this thread for a user with a similar issue and the solution we came up with and read here for my explanation on the issue.

    What I wrote here is based a lot on the following topics and threads. Actually a lot is plagiarized from there, so thanks go out to those guys.

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    START HERE:


    STEP 1: Confirm your dashboard is exploitable

    The very first thing you need to check, is your xbox kernel and that your XBOX is manufacture before June 18, 2009.

    ? Turn on your xbox and go to console settings.

    ? Go to system info, the kernel version is on top right.



    If you have kernel 2.0.7371.0 or lower, there is one more check to do, which requires you to read the nand chip with a homemade lpt nand reader or a usb spi flasher. There is no other 100% way of knowing your CB version without reading the nand.


    To make a Homemade LPT reader follow the following threads and schematics:

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    To make a USB SPI flasher follow the following threads and schematics:

    USB SPI Flasher mini how to

    XBOX360 SPI/USB Flasher by DarkstarTM v0.3

    XBOX360 SPI/USB Flasher by threesixtyuser

    Technical Discussion on USB SPI FLASHER -Find updated Drivers Released January 25, 2010 and PIC software (PICFLASH_v3b_plus2.zip at the time of writing)

    Requirements:
    Software :

    ? free60 version of XELL from xbins, file size should be about 1.4 MB and there is one fore each motherboard

    ? XeLLous, at the of writing this it is a 1.0 from xbins

    ? Latest release of XBR, specific for you motherboard from xbins.

    ? Nandpro20b, 64 bit Nandpro USP SPI Driver And 64 Bit Port95 Alternative

    ? FireFox

    ? Hex Workshop
    Hardware:

    ? A way of reading/writing NAND, LPT or USB SPI.

    ? Router, or Cross Over Cable or Switch

    ? PC with LPT port

    ? XBOX, and XBOX component cables, HDMI doesn't work for installation, composite and vga are untested by me personally. If other cables work please report them here and I will update.


    Step 2: Read and Backup first 2MB of NAND

    a. Download nandpro 2.0b.



    b. If using an x86 make sure port95nt.exe is installed, if it's not, install it (from nandpro20b folder) you might need to reboot.





    c. If using a 64bit system then follow the directions in this thread to install equivalent 64bit drivers. If using Windows 7 or Vista 64 bit you will need to disable driver signing



    d. Plug your 360, but don't power it on.



    e. Plug the lpt cable or your usb spi into PC and XBOX.



    f. Open a CMD prompt window within the Nandpro folder, if using Windows 7 or Vista run as Administrator:

    nandpro lpt: -r2 c1.bin

    or

    nandpro usb: -r2 c1.bin

    (From here to the end I will use lpt, so adjust accordingly)



    g. Read your nand a second time, so type:

    nandpro lpt: -r2 c2.bin



    h. Compare your dumps by typing the following command:

    fc c1.bin c2.bin /b



    i. If differances where found type the following command:

    nandpro lpt: -r2 c3.bin



    j. Then compare your second and thrid dump:

    fc c2.bin c3.bin /b



    k. Use the 2 that match, if c2 and c3 match rename c3.bin to c1.bin. Do not proceed whatsoever or under any circumstances if you can not get two matching dumps.


    Note: No read errors should be encountered with the commands above,
    if for whatever reason you do please post them on the related thread and ask for assistance before proceeding.

    If for whatever reason you can't get two matching NAND dumps, then please do as follows:

    If you're getting no errors in NandPro, but when you compare your dumps they never match, you need to ground the LPT cable.The un-shielded wire on the LPT cable (ie no plastic sleeve) is the ground, or if you've built your own cable from scratch, attach a wire from the metal chassis of the DB-25 connector. Attach this to the metal shielding of the 360 or one of the copper grnd points around the screw holes in the mobo and that should sort the problem.
    Step 3: Verify your CB is exploitable from 2MB backup:

    1. Now open up c1.bin in a hex editor (free hex editor) and you should see:

    ? 2004-200X Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    X = 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 (depending on what dash you have/when your console was made).


    2. Now search in hex for "CB" (without quotes) your looking for the one at or around 8400 in hex (it has to be in caps).



    3. Copy the 4 hex digits after it and convert it from hex to dec with this Conveter and Like This and verify your CB is exploitable.




    Exploitable CBs:

    Xenon: 1921 or lower is Exploitable (exception: 8192 IS EXPLOITABLE)
    Zephyr: 4558 or lower is Exploitable (exception: 4580 IS EXPLOITABLE this needs falcon version of Free60)
    Falcon: 5770 or lower is Exploitable
    Jasper 16mb: 6712 or lower is Exploitable
    Jasper Arcade (256/512): 6723 or lower is Exploitable

    Step 4: Installing JTAG

    The XENON soldering can be found here:

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    For Zephyr, Falcon, Opus & Jasper here:

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    General Falcon Troubleshooting:

    Review this Hidden Content . This might be applicable to all XBOX, success has been reported by various people with the various revisions.


    Step 5: Protecting fuses and JTAG(optional):

    To protect your CPU fuses it is recommended you do as depicted in the following images:

    You don't have to remove R6T3, you just bridge the points depicted in the images.

    If U6T1 is installed
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    If U6T2 is installed
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    The reason for doing this step is if and when Microsoft releases a new kernel, and you decide to accept an update from a game, your fuses will be blown. Blown fuses will eliminate your ability to run XBReboot and unsigned code.

    Step 6: Injecting XeLLous into Free60 Xell and Flashing.

    Now with the jtag installed we are going to proceed on flashing and getting XeLLous up and running.



    1. First you need to download the right version of XELL and the latest release of XELLOUS otherwise this will not work.For XELL you need the free60 versions that are specific to each motherboard and are about 1.4 MB in size, review the table below.


    You will need one of these files depending on the revision of your XBOX:

    xenon_1921_hack-20090911.rar


    This is good for all XENON

    zephyr_hack_updxell.rar


    Good for most Zephyr (CB 4580 requires Falcon one)

    falcon_opus_hack.rar


    Good for Falcon and Opus, and Zephyr with CB 4580

    jasper_6723_hack.rar


    Good for all 16MB Jaspers

    jasper_6723_hack_256MB_512MB.rar


    Good for 256MB and 512MB Jaspers


    Zephyrs with CB 4580:

    Success with these XBOXs are hit and miss, please refer to the bottom of the tutorial for troubleshooting tips, and information on the XBR version you require.



    2. Download the latest release of XeLLous from the usual places, at the time of writing this was version 1.0.



    3. Extract XeLLous and your version of Free60 Xell. Copy them to your nandpro20b folder.



    4. Rename your version of Free60 Xell to free60.bin. For example:

    ren zephyr_hack_updxell.bin free60.bin

    e. Connect XBOX to LPT port again, and do the following to backup your key vault and configuration blocks.

    Dump everything multiple times and always compare them using either Hex Workshop or fc from CMD prompt.

    To dump your keyvault from nand (This is the same for all motherboard versions):

    nandpro lpt: -r16 kv1.bin 1 1

    Dump this a couple times and compare them.


    To dump your Config from nand:

    nandpro lpt: -r16 config1.bin 3de 2

    Dump this a couple times and compare them.



    For 256/512 Jaspers its:

    nandpro lpt: -r256 config1.bin ef7 2
    Dump this a couple times and compare them.



    f. Inject Key Vault into your version of Free60:

    This command is compatible with all NAND sizes:

    nandpro free60.bin: -w16 kv.bin 1 1


    7. Inject XeLLous into your version of Free60:

    This command is compatible will all NAND sizes.

    nandpro free60.bin: +W16 xell-1f.bin 40

    Please ensure you type the command exactly how you see it, don’t deviate.

    The +W is correct, and make sure it is xell-1f.bin, W is capital.



    8. Flash free60.bin to your XBOX.

    This comman is compatible will NAND sizes.

    nandpro lpt: -w16 free60.bin 0



    9. Unplug XBOX from LPT and power outlet and let it sit for 30 seconds.



    10. Connect XBOX to your TV and turn it on using the normal power button on the front, ensure network cable is connected.


    11. You should see screen that is similar to the one depicted below. Ensure that it says HTTPD and not HTTP. Note the http:// address and write it down. Take a picture so that you have a record of your cpu and dvd key.




    If for whatever reason you where unable to boot into XeLLous, start over at Step 6-f and skip Step 6-g, and before Step 6-J follow the First Method of "Different Methods of Installing XeLLous:" found in the Troubleshooting section then continue with Step 6-J. If you encountered a black screen or it didn't boot at all check your wiring or ensure you read the Badblock Management document specifically if you have a bad block between 0 and 90.



    Step 7: Get a Full NAND backup

    a. Leave the XBOX on and go to your PC. Using FireFox go to the address noted in Step 6-k. It is recommended you disable any firewalls or internet security suites you have enable. Also XeLLous is only guaranteed to work with FireFox. A similar screen should be seen from FireFox.



    b. Under “Raw Flash” Click download and save as fullnand1.bin, do this multiple times and compare them to verify that none of your security software is interfering.



    c. Under “Config Blocks” Click download and save as rawconfig1.bin, do this multiple times and compare them again. (Why do this, when I have already dumped it through lpt? It's good to have multiple copies for testing and troubleshooting. Keep backup copies of all you config dumps, kv dumps, and any other dumps relating to you original nand)



    d. Make fullnand1.bin complete:

    nandpro fullnand1.bin: -w16 c1.bin 0



    Keep the file in a safe place and make multiple copies, this fullnand1.bin file is a full backup as it was before you started this tutorial.

    Step 8: Preparing XBReboot

    a. Download the latest version of XBReboot for your console. If you are not sure which one is for you confirm with your CB, and Flash Config. The Flash Config is displayed every time you run the nandpro command.



    b. Extract the contents from your download and rename your release to updflash.bin.

    c. Inject your Key Vault (kv.bin) into XBR.

    This command is good for all NAND sizes.

    nandpro updflash.bin: -w16 kv.bin 1 1



    d. Inject your configuration blocks into XBR. (Sometimes it’s good not to do this because it may result in E72)

    For 16MB nands:

    nandpro updflash.bin: -w16 config.bin 3de 2



    For 256MB or 512MB nands:

    nandpro updflash.bin: -w256 config.bin ef7 2



    e. Inject XeLLous into XBR.

    For All NAND Sizes:

    nandpro updflash.bin: +W16 xell-2f.bin 30

    The +W is correct, and make sure it is xell-2f.bin, W is capital




    Step 9: Flashing XBR to the XBOX.

    a. Copy updflash.bin to the root of a USB key or drive formatted in Fat/Fat32.



    b. If XBOX is still on turn it off, plug USB key or drive in one of the front USB ports.



    c. Press the power button and watch XeLLous flash XBR.



    d. Follow the on screen instructions. When power cycling make sure XBOX is unplug and off for 30 seconds.



    e. Power on the XBOX using the front power button, the XBOX will start normally and you should see the NXE dashboard. If you go to the System Information, under Console Settings you will see the kernel version as 8955 that means XBReboot has been installed. You can now run unsigned code and install alternative dashboards or menus. If you need to go back to XeLLous power the XBOX using the eject button.


    Troubleshooting hints:

    E79

    Try flashing your KV over LPT and see if that solves the issue. nandpro lpt: -w16 kv.bin 1 or nandpro lpt: -w16 kv.bin 1 1
    Reflashing or updating XBR:

    Go back to Step 8-a and follow through to Step 8-e. Continue to Step 9 and follow as directed, except for Step 9-C, instead of using the power button use the eject button.


    E72 on boot:

    This means there is something wrong with your configuration blocks. So go back to Step 8-a and follow through to Step 8-e skipping Step 8-d. Continue to Step 9 and follow as directed, except for Step 9-C, instead of using the power button use the eject button.




    Error “404” from FireFox:

    If you are getting "404" error on your computer or XELL saying "Connection Closing" on the screen you are more then likely not in XeLLous, but rather Xell.Try booting the XBOX again with one of the different methods listed below, or try installing XeLLous with one of the many different methods listed below. And again ensure your in XELLOUS review the image below. Otherwise use a cross-over cable.
    XELL VS XELLOUS:


    Different Methods of Booting into XeLLous:

    1. Normal power button on the front.
    2. Power on through eject button, this requires a dvd drive plug in, it really doesn’t matter if it’s flashed with the right key or not.
    3. Power on through a controller plug in the back usb port of the XBOX. (Can be a wired controller, or Wireless connected via Play & Charge kit)

    Different Methods of Installing XeLLous:
    First Method:

    Xan21 brought this to my attention. Rename xell-1f.bin to updxell.bin. Place updxell.bin on the root of a usb drive or key formatted FAT/FAT32 and turn on the XBOX with key or drive plug in the front usb port. Xell should update to XeLLous. Note this works on all XBOX revisions. Don’t use this one with XBR.

    ren xell-1f.bin updxell.bin


    Second Method:

    This method will totally replace Xell with XeLLous, making XeLLous bootable from the power button use only with free60 Xell.

    nandpro lpt: +W16 xell-1f.bin 40


    Third Method:

    This method will make XeLLous bootable from the back usb port via a wired controller or wireless controller with the Play and Charge kit or eject button if replacing it in XBR3. This is also the command to update your Xell to XeLLous in XBR3(use xell-2f.bin to update XBR).

    nandpro lpt: +W16 xell-1f.bin 30


    Injecting Method:

    You can inject XeLLous into the free60 version of XELL before flashing with the following command, so you don't have to do it later:

    Inject XeLLous into the free60 version of xell.

    nandpro free60.bin: +W16 xell-1f.bin 40


    Inject XeLLous into XBR.

    nandpro xbr.bin: +W16 xell-2f.bin 30


    Zephyr with CB 4580:

    1. It has been reported that the Falcon version of XBR seems to work, of course you might encounter issues.
    2. It also has said that some people have been successful copying the SMC from the Faclon XBR and injecting it into Zephyr XBR like so:

    nandpro FalconXBR.bin: -r16 SMC.bin 0 1
    nandpro ZephyrXBR.bin: -w16 SMC.bin 0 1

    Proceed with injecting your Key Vault(kv.bin), skip the config for troubleshooting purpose and see how successful that is.
    3. It has also been reported that some people have had success using a 330 ohm resistor between J2D2.4 and J2D2.7.
    General Recommendations:

    For troubleshooting purposes I recommend that you don't inject your configuration (config.bin).

    If it seems your XBOX is working properly then inject your configuration and see what happens or flash it through LPT.

    For 16MB nands:
    nandpro lpt: -w16 config1.bin 3de

    For 256MB or 512MB nands:

    nandpro lpt: -w256 config1.bin ef7

    Can’t boot to Xell from XBR using Eject button:

    Please beware that a dvd drive needs to be plug in for booting into XELL, at lease the small black power cable.
    However SATA from dvd drive does not need to be.

    Notes:
    From XeLLous release:



    USB Notes:
    For best results of getting the usb device detected. Remove the power plug from the console
    after running the MS dashboard. Then reinsert the power plug, insert usb device and then
    boot into XeLLous.

    Reading 66MB (updflash.bin) can take a few minutes, be patient while it loads to ram.


    Thanks goes out to the whole scene, too many to mention. Special thanks goes out to BlackSteel though for providing the virgin XBOX.

    If anybody wants to repot the thread and make more presentable by all means.




    Explanation of some of the commands:

    The Following command reads the first 2 MB of your Nand flash and saves it to a file named c1.bin:

    nandpro lpt: -r2 c1.bin


    This command reads your Key Vault from the nand flash and saves it to a file named kv.bin:

    nandpro lpt: -r16 kv.bin 1 1

    This command writes c1.bin(which should be a backup of your first 2 MB) to a file named 1.bin.

    nandpro 1.bin: -w2 c1.bin

    This one writes Xell to block 40 of your nand, where it should go the free60 versions of Xell.

    nandpro lpt: +W16 xell-1f.bin 40

    This one writes Xell or XeLLous to block 30 of your nand, where it should go for XBReboot.

    nandpro lpt: +W16 xell-2f.bin 30

    This one injects Xell or XeLLous starting at block 30 of XBR, as it is stated in the release notes.

    nandpro xbr.bin: +W16 xell-2f.bin 30

    If anyone needs more info on how things work let me know and I will address it.

    EDIT MORE INFO AFTER YOU HAVE DONE THE JTAG

    Getting Started With Homebrew:
    Installing a loader


    Requirements:

    1. XeXLoader.iso from XeXLoader 0.26-XEX burn on a regular DVD. Download this from the usual places.

    2. The latest release XeXMenu at the time of writing this was version 1.1. Again usual places.

    3. USB key.

    4. XBOX HDD, or XBOX MU not the internal MU because it may corrupt your nand.
    Procedure:

    1. Extract C0DE99990F586558 from XeXMenu LIVE.rar to a USB key

    2. Start XeXLoader from CD

    3. Put the USB key in your 360

    4. On the controller press the right arrow on the D-Pad

    5. Press the “X button” to change device, select USB0 or USB1

    6. On the USB drive browse for the C0DE99990F586558 file, highlight it and press the “Y button”

    7. On the sub menu that pops up, select “Copy”

    8. Press the “X button” and select the device you wish to use as your main means of storage (XBOX HDD or MU, don't use Internal)

    9. Navigate to the “Content” folder, then to the folder named “0000000000000000”

    10. Next go to a folder named “C0DE9999”, if the folder doesn’t exist create it by pressing the “Y button” and selecting the appropriate option. Remember in C0DE9999, that is a zero and not an O.

    11. Next go to a folder named “00080000”, again if it doesn’t exist create the folder in the same manner as before.

    12. Once in the “00080000”, press the “Y button” and select “Paste”

    13. You can now press the guide button and go back to the Dashboard, and XeXMenu should be within Game Library under Game Demos.
    Notes:

    ? Remember to never use your internal memory, this also means your main profile can’t be on the internal memory. You have been warned this will corrupt XBR.

    ? Blackscreen, XeXMenu seems to freeze and produce a black screen if there is no USB memory device plugged into one of the front ports.


    Other Hardware Modifications Worthwhile:
    Easy 3.5 Inch HDD Modification:

    Follow the directions as directed in the image, for power sources refer to the following thread:
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    Notes:
    * The SATA HDD used should be new or has to be zeroed out, any size can be used and the full space will be available.
    * To zero out a HDD use active kill or Hiren's Boot CD
    * For Hiren's BootCD boot to the disk and use one of the tools under Hard Disk Tools, to erase the HDD.
    * Active Kill for windows is very slow.
    * The connector in the bottom image is from and XBOX enclosure or caddy. You can buy a broken XBOX HDD or just the enclosure, check ebay.

    Keeping your XBOX running cool:
    This has been reported working on all 16mb nands and 256mb Jasper. Discuss this in the original thread here.

    Requirements:
    1. Patcher.rar
    2. fantools.zip from _old folder in the usual places

    Instructions:
    1. Unpack both files
    2. Copy Autospeed.xex from fantools.zip
    3. Run patcher.exe, you should see the following:

    4. Click Apply.
    5. Under Patch browse for the speed patch the interest you, i.e. 90speed.patch
    6. Under Original File, browse for Autospeed.xex from fantools.zip
    7. Then Click Apply Patch Data, save the resulting file as an xex with any name you like. i.e. 90FanSpeed.xex
    8. Make as many as you want, but ensure for the original file you always use an untouched Autospeed.xex
    9. To run this copy them on a USB key or drive formatted in FAT or FAT32
    10. Run XeXloader or XeXmenu or something comparable and browse the USB Key or Drives for the the xex you made.
    11. Highlight them and press A.




    More to Come.

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    Re: Jtag hack how to

    This is the guide that i followed and did a xbox 360 with over the past couple of days and is far and away the best guide that i could find and it may look hard to do its not. The only thing is as i discovered the hard way you have to make sure you have a pc with a ON BOARD parallel printer port on it or it wont work! Unless you spash out and buy or make the usb version which lost me a bit i must admit Hidden Content

    If you have a xbox that has not been on live for a while or you havent played any of the new games released over the past couple of months you should look into this as its alot of fun when its done!
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    Thanks for posting that comprehensive guide tink. Hidden Content
    I have to admit I don't understand half of it, but it is still very useful to me, because I know where you live! Hidden Content

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    Hidden Content Originally Posted by Diablo13 Hidden Content
    Thanks for posting that comprehensive guide tink. Hidden Content
    I have to admit I don't understand half of it, but it is still very useful to me, because I know where you live! Hidden Content
    Only thing is mate cant do yours as you have the latest dash installed but i CAN help you with some info if you wanted one that could be done Hidden Content
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    Oh Bum!
    You try to keep up to date but you still can't win. Hidden Content
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    Read the comment above again "cough" know where have got them "cough"
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    When you have jtagged your xbox then it opens a whole new world of fun and games!! You can play games off the hard drive without the disc in the drive, ftp into the xbox and play arcade games on it that need to be installed off xbox live and a whole load of new stuff which is getting released every day.
    The 2 most useful aps that i found are NXEgod (which enables you to play games off the hard drive without the disc in the tray!!) and XeXMenu (which enables you to ftp into your xbox and other great things too!)
    NXEgod download from here - hxxp://Hidden Content XeXMenu download frome here - hxxp://Hidden Content EDIT - software is changing by the day and new stuff is getting released all the time if i find anything interesting i will post it here

    EDIT 2 - while messing about with the xbox i have got various emulators to work and in the pipeline is a Wii emulator which will let you play Wii games on it!! The wands ect already work and they are within touching distance with it now so should be interesting to watch what happens
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    Hi
    I tried this & my box appears dead (bugger) - am going to try and revive but looks like I may need to purchase another cheap xbox - Oh well I suppose it killed an hour or 2 of my spare time

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    Have you still got the original nand dump or the kv from the xbox? And when you say dead in what way do you mean it could be a number of things a little more info and we may be able to help you get it working again
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    Hi Tinkertiler
    The box power light comes on and that’s about all it does?. - It was pretty late when I finished so may well have messed up the instructions somewhere. - I do still have a copy of the original dump so hopefully will be able to revive it. – I am away at the moment but I’ll have another crack at the process when I get home & will be a bit more specific if it still chokes

    -Thanks for the info

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    When you say the power light is the only thing that comes on do you mean nothing comes on the screen? When you had done it how was you connecting the xbox to the tv? There is a reason for this as the HDMI socket doent work when you are trying to do this the resolution isnt supported. You will need either a component cable or rgb to get to the blue screen that comes up and when you can see that your laughing Hidden Content
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    Hi - restored the box - connected using component lead and have followed instrucions to the letter - all now seems fine and its working brilliantly - (maybe I shouldnt try to P@ss arround late at night when I should be in bed ) - thanks for this great post

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    Is there a more upto date instructions? I mean to take into account all the new system updates?

    As thinking about doing this my self!

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    Re: Jtag hack how to

    its ok>

    found this: Hidden Content

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    Re: Jtag hack how to

    The new hack isnt jtag its a glitch so i wont be changing this for something up to date as this about covers the old method. When all the guis ect turn up for the new glitch hack i will do something similar but at the mo its a bit in the air and very complicated and not worth causing confusion Hidden Content
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