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I have been thinking long and hard about this like everyone else. There are many positives to the EU and loads of negatives, but my main issues are:
Inability to control our own borders, don't get me wrong many of the immigrants have been beneficial to the country, but we should be able to boot folk out that break the law. We are tiny overcrowded country whose population has gone up over the last twenty years from 56 million to almost 65 million, where are they going to live? Or should we build everywhere?
My other main criticism, is the bureaucracy all works very slowly, its a cash cow that sucks in as much money as it is given, there is no governance or even consideration of where the money came from or whether it should be spent prudently. And what is all that about once a month upping sticks and moving to Strasbourg? What a waste of money.
The trouble is its un-reformable from the British perspective because we will always be outvoted by those countries that benefit.
It's easy to be a great European if you receive money and don't contribute.
Nuff said!
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Since i can chime in, i will..
Im on the fence as well... but in all honesty i will probably go on the stay front. Specifically since Cameron and the rest of the "No to Scottish independence" made a big ass deal about us not getting into the EU and all the things that we would loose out on as an independent country... Which was proven to be bollocks then and now even with all the impartial reports that were done
Now, since he's forced the in/out referendum vote... I smell a big ass pile of s***e.. Please stay everyone... its not that bad..... Oh but wait.. 2 years ago.. YOU NEED THE EU!! You cant survive without it...
Just my 2 pence..
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Also... And this is never going to happen... See if everyone just told the truth.. It would make it a lot easier for everyone to decide.
for example.. the leave team say £350m a week to be in the EU.. but no-one on that side states the rebate that we get on other stuff.. (and also what all of this money in/out does)
and on the other side the stay team say EU immigrants pay more in than they take out.. and the leave team say that Public services jobs are at risk because of that...
I do note (since i work for the media) that sometime last year that the NHS paid more money out to get Locum doctors from the EU since they had to since they diddnt have any home-grown doctors/nurses to fill the gap... Now dont count me an arse, why dont we just work out everything to do with Junior Doctors, Dentists, GP's here.. instead of paying millions out to get them from other places?
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I know there are problems with the EU but can anyone properly explain what our plan is if we leave.
We have all been on a night out with that friend who when your in a club says "it's **** here"let's go somewhere else.Then when you leave you realise he has no idea where to go and the place you left won't let you back in.Without a decent follow up plan a leave vote could see the UK standing in a kebab shop arguing about whose fault it is.
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I know there are problems with the EU but can anyone properly explain what our plan is if we leave.
We have all been on a night out with that friend who when your in a club says "it's **** here"let's go somewhere else.Then when you leave you realise he has no idea where to go and the place you left won't let you back in.Without a decent follow up plan a leave vote could see the UK standing in a kebab shop arguing about whose fault it is.
my 'friend' doesn't take 350million form me each week...
We seemed to be ok when we wernt in it in 1970's
and last but not least, Millions died in 2 world wars to keep us from 'joining' europe, now we have the chance to leave it.... we should take that chance!
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Out for me...
Thought you may have done this on the Current Poll bit too.
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Don't think we would of got the reply's back as we have with a poll ......but one as now been added Hidden Content
Anyway 20 Days left to go ....and its looking like its going to be Out for me hearing all the crap that as been flying around over the last couple of weeks from both sides.
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You lot should have left the UK nevermind the EU ;-)
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Millions died in 2 world wars to keep us from 'joining' europe, now we have the chance to leave it.... we should take that chance!
It's bollox like this that push floating voters to the 'in' camp.
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Well there is 15 days left to go.
You would of seen Nigel Farage and David Cameron on ITV in a televised debate last night
Your thoughts on that ?
I think David Cameron was the loser last night out of the 2 of them ....... I would of liked to of seen them both on there at the same time last night or Boris Johnson Vs David Cameron, but can't see that happening.
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I've changed my mind more often than ordering a pint at a craft beer festival... but on balance i think stay. The EU is a messy organisation, that i'm far from happy with. The figure of 345m will be put into the NHS? ...well that just isn't true is it? charge me £50 a week less for gas and electricity and i won't just pay £50 a week for health insurance (probably just buy more craft beer). i have read that a 1% increase in economic growth would cover that anyway( the NHS not my beer!)?
Bottom line, without going through all the details of yes v no ( which will always be an estimation anyway, we just don't know 'till it happens), the way forward seems to be to stay in and gradually improve the aspects that we are not happy about. within the EU we can campaign for improvement. It won't ever be perfect but at least we'll be in a position to help improve our and our geographical neighbours existence (that matters to us for selfish reasons, not as a kindness). As for the imperfections being a reason to leave....when was the last perfect British Government in power?
.........erm...i think that's how i'll vote.....
P.S. The biggest risk is to vote out simply to feel powerful and try to upset other EU members for fun. that would be a very (facebook type) silly.
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Should we stay or should we go ....well which ever way we go, it will end up costing us more money in Tax, Fuel, Food and Energy, We can't win
Because we live in Ripoff Britain and Ripoff EU
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The only two messages coming out just now is...stay..... cos were better with the devil we know...or.... leave..... and stand on you`re own two feet... so.......... stand up and be counted.....or... get somebody else to do it for you.....I`M STILL OUT...Hidden Content
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They say were safer in numbers... but im leaving. it was a difficult decision to make but i have decided were better off out and for that reason alonooone am oot!
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Its well worth voting leave just to get that tit Farage off the telly
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Happy voting folks...if you don't use then don't whinge...!
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I voted IN,but good luck either way you voted,btw this was me this morning hahahaha....
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